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So when Castiel pulled Dean out of Hell, he had the backing of Heaven behind him, am I right, or am I remembering it wrong? That means that he was being arrogant as hell to pull Sam out of the cage, Hell, on his own and if that's so, he was feeling a little God-ish for quite some time before really making it so.

Of course, I'm always reading things wrong--it's like I'm watching a whole 'nother show sometime. My kid, who watches it kind of on the fly with me, noticed that there was something wrong with Sam right off the bat. Me, I was clueless. Subsequent viewing of the ep left me all,"duh, you idiot" but really, most first viewings I'm just kind of dazzled by Dean. It's watching the old shows again that made me come to really feel heartbreak for Sam. He tries so hard and never gets the credit he deserves for it. Sure, Dean loves him, obviously come hell or high water, but he doesn't seem to be able to get past that package of Sammy he'd been trained to protect from day one. Brothers, man.

Thinking about brothers, I kind of hope Adam never comes back. I don't think I could take Dean's guilt if he does. That choice that was really not a choice, at least for Dean, would hang over everyone's head like a guillotine blade. Me, I'm hoping for a less angsty season (HAHAHAAA) and something like that would put a serious kink in my hopes for puppies and rainbows.

Comments

[orbiting-saturn.livejournal.com]

Castiel does mention that he got to Dean by stepping over the bodies of his slain brothers, so yes, he had the backing of Heaven. I honestly don't think that the writers originally intended for Castiel to have been the one to pull Sam out of Hell, so all of that storyline feels really clunky. But even if they had, yeah, it was really arrogant of him to go in by himself to pull Sam out. But consider it this way, he'd just been pieced back together by God for a second time right after slowly loosing his powers and becoming human. He was probably feeling pretty invincible at the time. And it was DEAN that put the whole "Sheriff of Heaven" thing in his head.

I didn't notice that there was anything wrong with Sam until the disgusting hooker scene. That was a really big clue for me. Sam would NEVER. Sam breaks my heart in every capacity and gets the short end of the stick always. He always gets the wrap of being the "bad" brother, but it doesn't jibe with me. Everything he's ever done has always been with the best of intentions. Dean, I love him, but he sometimes goes dead-eyed and likes torturing people in Hell. I don't understand why he always gets a free pass. (obvs SG here)

I hope they never bring Adam back because he was horrible in every way possible. The end.

[serafina20.livejournal.com]

The idea I got from the retro-canon of "The Man Who Would Be King" (I think that was the ep that Castiel played Mr. Exposition) was that Castiel's whole arc during the season was supposed to be his mounting arrogance and belief that he could do anything with impunity.

Of course, since they shunted his storyline to the side (I'm busy fighting over here, I can't be in this episode), we didn't really see anything until the end of the season. It seems like, at least the last few seasons, the arc that proves to be "important" at the end of the season is the one that gets the least screentime/thought, so it always feels a little rushed.

[tuckercat2.livejournal.com]

I agree with you on all points! I think Cas doing that on his own is the reason it was screwed up! And wow, he really wanted to Dean to be safe...

Dean gets my attention and I feel bad for Sam. I am an older sibling so I feel for Dean and wish I had an older sibling that would care about me half as much as Dean does Sam. I have to say I was very happy with Sam's comment that he would not leave his brother out there alone. Finally! I just wanted to hear Sam say what I believe he has felt all along. I was upset with how much shit Dean had to deal with at the beginning of 6, everyone he cared about from his old life let him continue thinking Sam was gone. I don't want Adam back either for the same reason.

[tabaqui]

Oh, man. Yes to everything here!

It was so heartbreaking to see Castiel doing exactly what Sam was doing - going down a questionable path but being blindly obstinate that it was *right* because he was so desperate to Make Things Better and Save his soulmate the Boys.
*pets him*

And i think - he's not human. He's an angel. He isn't used to considering other people's feelings or points of view - he's dealing with emotions he hasn't had before - thousands of years of no real emotions other than loving God and probably joy in creation and then, suddenly - he has to feel fear and desperation and envy and shame and anger and love and embarrassment.... I think he hit overload about the same time Sam died and Dean stopped hunting, but he had to keep going because Raphael was out there, intent on fucking it all up again.

I have *always* been a Deangirl, but Sam is by no means unimportant. Remembering Bobby and Dean talking about him, how they 'always rode him pretty hard' and how he felt that John didn't really love him (and later, thought John died thinking Sam hated him) and how he thought Dean was heroic perfection personified.... Is it any wonder he grabbed onto something he thought would give him the ability to save his brother, save the world, fix everything? Manipulated into doing crazy things, surrendering his better judgment to dicey 'fixes' and acting, in my opinion, like he really thought was 'right' because he was sure that's what Dean (and John) would do. Had done. He didn't have much of a chance, poor kid, and he's grown *so much* and done so good....

And Dean - i kinda feel sometimes he's gotten a little stuck, that the writers have fixated a little too much on his angst and his 'issues' and not let him have the same growth as Sam. But he's changed, too - grown a bit, discovered some things, lost and gained.....

But everybody is too enamored of hurty!boys and epic fallout and bait-and-switch 'good guys' who turn into bad guys. Our boys - they are doooomed!
Doooooomed!

:)

I have so much luff for them. I have no clue what season seven will bring - i am so anxious for it to start!

*smooches you*