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So when Castiel pulled Dean out of Hell, he had the backing of Heaven behind him, am I right, or am I remembering it wrong? That means that he was being arrogant as hell to pull Sam out of the cage, Hell, on his own and if that's so, he was feeling a little God-ish for quite some time before really making it so.

Of course, I'm always reading things wrong--it's like I'm watching a whole 'nother show sometime. My kid, who watches it kind of on the fly with me, noticed that there was something wrong with Sam right off the bat. Me, I was clueless. Subsequent viewing of the ep left me all,"duh, you idiot" but really, most first viewings I'm just kind of dazzled by Dean. It's watching the old shows again that made me come to really feel heartbreak for Sam. He tries so hard and never gets the credit he deserves for it. Sure, Dean loves him, obviously come hell or high water, but he doesn't seem to be able to get past that package of Sammy he'd been trained to protect from day one. Brothers, man.

Thinking about brothers, I kind of hope Adam never comes back. I don't think I could take Dean's guilt if he does. That choice that was really not a choice, at least for Dean, would hang over everyone's head like a guillotine blade. Me, I'm hoping for a less angsty season (HAHAHAAA) and something like that would put a serious kink in my hopes for puppies and rainbows.

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Castiel does mention that he got to Dean by stepping over the bodies of his slain brothers, so yes, he had the backing of Heaven. I honestly don't think that the writers originally intended for Castiel to have been the one to pull Sam out of Hell, so all of that storyline feels really clunky. But even if they had, yeah, it was really arrogant of him to go in by himself to pull Sam out. But consider it this way, he'd just been pieced back together by God for a second time right after slowly loosing his powers and becoming human. He was probably feeling pretty invincible at the time. And it was DEAN that put the whole "Sheriff of Heaven" thing in his head.

I didn't notice that there was anything wrong with Sam until the disgusting hooker scene. That was a really big clue for me. Sam would NEVER. Sam breaks my heart in every capacity and gets the short end of the stick always. He always gets the wrap of being the "bad" brother, but it doesn't jibe with me. Everything he's ever done has always been with the best of intentions. Dean, I love him, but he sometimes goes dead-eyed and likes torturing people in Hell. I don't understand why he always gets a free pass. (obvs SG here)

I hope they never bring Adam back because he was horrible in every way possible. The end.

Yeah, I can see that they backtracked there, but I liked it. It's almost as if that 2014 Cas still happened, or happened on this timeline, only--megalomania instead of stonedyogateacher-slut. I liked watching Castiel slowly go bonkers. It was fascinating--and heart breaking, and I felt sorry for him so many times. I felt like he kept expecting Dean to understand, but Dean couldn't. He just saw Cas being Sam all over again. On an aftershool special note, I kind of expected Cas at some point to yell at Sam, "I learned it from yooooou!"

Sam breaks my heart in every capacity and gets the short end of the stick always. He always gets the wrap of being the "bad" brother, but it doesn't jibe with me
Speaking from the perspective of a crazed DeanGirl here, I agree with you mostly. How anyone could say Sam is the bad brother is beyond me--he's just the *brother*. They used to look so different on the surface but when you scraped away all the junk, underneath it all, they wanted the same thing, for each other to be safe and happy. I'm sure that still hold true.

I'm pretty sure Dean only gets a free pass in fandom--he punishes himself plenty for what he did. Dean's never thought of himself as a good person, I think, whereas I think Sam always did until recently.

I'm pretty sure Dean only gets a free pass in fandom--he punishes himself plenty for what he did. Dean's never thought of himself as a good person, I think, whereas I think Sam always did until recently.

You make a very good point there. Through so much of S5 and S6, I've been frustrated with Dean's character, mostly because of the way the show has been so apologetic of his character. NOT that Dean doesn't beat himself up plenty. Mostly because the way the writers have turned his character into the protagonist and watered down his faults to turn him into the plucky anti-hero type. It's the way the show is trying to skew the viewers' perceptions of Sam and Dean. They're both kind of arrogant assholes most of the time, but they want Dean to get away with it and Sam to get punished for it.

Castiel is a whole other ball game. There's something inherently sociopathic about his character, but whether or not that's because he's an angel or that's just part of who he is has never really been clarified because they can't be bothered to develop his character with any kind of consistency. It makes me want to weep that the whole Godstiel storyline is almost definitely going to get shafted, because it will be yet another epic possibility that they don't have the time, money or imagination to take to the next level. Like Lucifer.

SPN is sort of screwy because they are so determined to pander to the fans. But they can't ever get it right because there's this whole sect of purists who want the show to remain all about the SamandDean claustrophobia with subplots. And then there's another sect who want it to expand into side-characters and epic story arcs. It's like the writers can't ever do anything right, no matter what they do. Poor writers and producers. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Very true, very true! If they didn't have fans like me who go, "What? Really? Well...okay!" they'd be in trouble!

I don't think the show was ever just about Sam and Dean, Fearless Monster Killers. It was always about more than that, imo. There was always something going on, some *thing* that was going to happen--I just don't think the writers knew what it was. I wish they'd kind of stuck with the story line that seemed like it was going to be about Sam and his powers. That would have been so cool!

I'm not so sure that I agree with Dean getting away with stuff and Sam being punished for it--to me, it seems like they suffer pretty equally. But that's probably because I thoroughly enjoy a Sam *and* Dean sandwich, not a Dean sandwich with a side of Sam, light on the mayo. Though I also really like a nice Cas and Sam special....

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