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[roxy]

mecurtin pointed me towards metafandom and whoa—some very interesting posts there. Also--What the fucking fuck????? You have got to be kidding me...

It made me all thinky about writing, and specifically, writing characters of color, and I'll refrain from saying CoCs and snickering. See, this is why I very seldom *get* thinky.

It's a subject that gets kicked around a lot, one I find very interesting.

So, I got curious. Roxy, how many times have you written characters of color into your stories, lo, though your fandom is Anglo-Saxon as Anglo-Saxon can be?



Boys Of Summer: Pete, and his whole OC family of brothers and one sister. They played important parts in story

The Dog: one of the major characters in Lex's life in the story was a body guard, Robin Wald, a Black man. And actually, a cross-over character, Principal Hotstuff from Buffy

I'll Fly Away is a Pete-centric story, and most of the characters are Black. In this fic, Clark was the man on the outside. This came about mostly because I was thinking about diversity in the SV universe, using Pete as an interesting character, and Pete as a sexual character, which believe me—rare as hell. If you know a story in which Pete actually gets it on, let me know—bonus if it's one of the main players. I think I also realized that I had some kind of weird prejudice going on here that I'm not discussing right yet. I'll save that for another post.

Ripley parts one and two: one of Ripley's daddies is a man of color. Jordan, one of my favorite OCs. I didn’t make a big issue of it, he just was.

Honorable mention:

Brothers and Heroes: Clark picks up a mixed race boy in Thailand. That was to date, my only attempt to write a non-white character who wasn't black. Blink and you'll miss him

Edge of The Forest Alexei's story—the main character of Fire Bird. His first love (more or less) was a mixed race boy, Russian/African.

Mariposa: The opening is narrated by a person of color and an enormous Mary-Sue. (I am also the queen of self-insertion.) Hey if it was good enough for Hitchcock…I'm not sure if that counts as a CoC. *g*. I know I certainly am.

Also, coulkd someone remind me how that Five Pretty Good Stories I Wrote meme id supposed to go? And soon, in the space, SV ficlet! And The Joker! Yes! And some more SpN, I think! *G*

Shit, I missed you guys!

Comments

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

And now my evil brain wants Victor/Chloe to piss off Pete.
Wow, you are evil!
Does Lex count when I make him Jewish?
Well, it adds to the diversity, doesn't it? *G*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Perfect choice, looks-wise. I agree with ladydreamer what's this thing about Jor-El and J'onn J'onzz being buddies or whatever from way back? I know that everything in the DC vers has been ret-conned and twisted out of the shape it was when I were a wee girl, but really--that's silly.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

*smacks self in head* I never realized the bodyguard was the same guy as the principal in Buffy

aaah, I'm such a doof, I love doing things like that. If it's not me, it's a Buffy character. *G* I'm real lucky ya'll are such a tolerant lot!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

you know me, lovey--I don't toss that stuff around like muffins but oy! That was the only conclusion I could draw. *grrr*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

you see? Pete *needs* to be fixed by the ficwriters, like danceswithgary

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

There you go, you my favortite Pete writer in all the land! *G*

[jakrar.livejournal.com]

Like her, and like you. *hugs you* Welcome back!

[pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com]

Don't forget Hamilton.

To make things more confusing, Kwan was played by a Japanese actor, Hiro Kanagawa. 8-)

And I have to plug Rekha Sharma here. She's played a doctor in like five or six SV eps (starting in Stray), though I love her for playing Stella, one of my favorite characters from the short-lived series, John Doe. John/Stella OTP, totally!

[capnzebbie.livejournal.com]

Now I have to reread the Ripleys for about the twelfth time :) (there were a couple of weeks there when I obsessively reread those two stories over and over) I love Jordan! He's one of my favorite OCs ever!

Welcome back! *HUGS*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Jonh Doe--how we loved that show!!! *wipes tear*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

*HUGS* I'm so glad to be back!

Also, you're kidding me, really? *roxy be cheesing something awful*

Thank you!! Jordan just kind of took over all his scenes, didn't he? *grin*

Shmooooooooch* you, you make me happy!

[pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com]

Also, regarding the characters of color thing, if I think that James Potter was Black, can I count all of my HP fics? 8-)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

LOL!!

but of course!

Do you really? *looks all amazed*

[vegas-nolan.livejournal.com]

Agreed. Still makes me sad whenever I happen to catch an ep of Psych and I see Lassiter. I mean, why? Lassiter isn't even all that attractive. He's too hairy, scowl-y, and quite frankly old-seeming for my slash tastes (and I'm willing to be Shawn's, too).

I add also that Gus seems like a really fun character to write. He's dorky and almost perennially the clueless (figurative) straight man. If I still had it in me to write slash I would have an awesome time with him. His character is distinctive.

[dawnybee.livejournal.com]

//And occasional CoC in guest roles, more than other WB shows that didn't have characters of color as cast members//

SV was/is way ahead of the other WB shows...not the CW because thanks to UPN they've got an influx of PoCs, but at one point WB stood for "Where're the Blacks?"

I always felt it was laziness on the part of the writers to not better integrate Pete into Clark's life, but I think it was just that they liked Chloe better as a character. Not that they hated Pete, it's just that I think it's a bit easier to write for an original character versus a canon character and out of all their canon characters Pete, sadly, drew the short straw on character development.

[dawnybee.livejournal.com]

//you know me, lovey--I don't toss that stuff around like muffins but oy! That was the only conclusion I could draw. *grrr*//

It's either a lack of vision or --and I'm sure I'm going to deep with this theory--that the writers can't write Gus/Shawn slash because in their eyes to have Shawn have sex with a Black man would make it seem that Shawn is subjugated or dominated. Because really, Gus and Shawn should've been slashed up and down the block again. I've seen characters who've only shook hands onscreen being written fucking each other up and down the page. Why are you making me go there, woman?!!

Welcome back, hope you had a marv time!

[pepperjackcandy.livejournal.com]

Well, Ginny clearly has a "type," and that "type" is not "white."

And it seems like the sort of thing JKR would do, to flip our expectations about Harry's ancestry (and his appearance!) at the last moment.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

rigt? Gus would be a hoot to write--he is the perfect straight man! if I was able at all to contruct a plot involving a mystery, I'd do it myself. I have no idea if the comm is still alive--it's the only one I ever dropped out of.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

in their eyes to have Shawn have sex with a Black man would make it seem that Shawn is subjugated or dominated.

Okay, see, that's probably a huge part of it, I know this to be a likely possibility because I had to overcome that precise feeling myself. I had to write about it a few times before I got over my own prejudices. Does that excuse it? No, it was as stupid for me as it is for those folks. I tell you, Psych fandom is a text book case of discrimination.

I've seen characters who've only shook hands onscreen being written fucking each other up and down the page. Why are you making me go there, woman?!!
cause it's true!! I mean, really, those guys practically screw each other with thier eyes--the show is one of those that *BEG* to be slashed, throw out huge biscuits of slashable dialog and what the fuck? they hook him up with a guy he spends minimal screen time with?

Here girl--have an ice tea. *G*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

That would be the coolest thing in the world and would make me and lots of little Black children so very very happy!

[vegas-nolan.livejournal.com]

Ooooo

If I come up with a plot idea, would you be amenable to giving it a shot?

*is excited*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't know. I'll certainly take a look at whatever you come up with, and I might be willing to give it a try, since Clark and Lex aren't talking to me anymore.

[vegas-nolan.livejournal.com]

If it makes you feel any better, you aren't the only person Clark and Lex aren't talking to currently. Muse-block has been making the rounds. I should patent a cure for it and make lots of money.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

erg--really? I mean the silence is so total and complete it's scaring me. Three years of them constantly yammering in my head and then--nothing? I hope it's just temporary...*bites nails* If you find a cure--gimmegimme!!*G*

[herohunter.livejournal.com]

Wheeeee, ROXY!! *tackles*


The comic book Pete wasn't a CoC (just like Lana was never exotic) but I LOVE SV's Pete! I think that Sam had that best friend quality and he was perfectly cast, as I'm sure you'll agree!

I hardly ever think about race issues because, being from Brazil, everyone's the same color to me (we're a very varied people), hehehe!