AAAAAAAHH!

[roxy]

Let me share my pain with you beloveds...did I not research for my Beatles story? Did I not check facts? And then did I not just go ahead and screw it up anyway? Grrr! I'm off on the boys ages by FOUR years! Damn it! how in the hell did I do that--Grrrrrrrrr.I'm so angry with myself. Plus that tanks the bit I'm working on now. I'd cry, but I'm too mad at myself. See--fact checkers are worth their weight in gold, my beloveds.

*pout* let me go pull that story, and kick the desk.

And for those of you who are looking for Summer Story--here's what's up.
Lex is about to do something that's morally wrong but not necessarily bad, Clark is upset but lets him do it.He's not happy about Lex's decision but he understands why Lex thinks it's necessary.

Does it mean Lex is going to be like his father no matter what?

Strangely I started this thing with the idea that Lex isn't doomed to follow his heritage, that friendship with the boys keeps him from being swallowed up by his dad's shadow, but it doesn't seem to be working out that way. Every time I turn him in a direction away from his pop and his influence, it works right back to Lionel again. It's very interesting since with this I'm working from the vaguest outline (obviously) unlike Fire Bird. Yes, yes, I know it didn't seem like it, but Fire Bird was a lot tighter than Summer Story. This one's more like a leisurely ramble through the park, stuff happens along the way, kind of thing.

So why am I being pulled back to Lex falling all the time?

I think the story will end with Lex as not a bad man, but one who can justify an immoral act if it's meant to benefit others. Maybe the difference will be a Clark who can see the shades of gray and live with them, and in that way help Lex to keep from tipping over into crazy Lionel territory?

If so-- does that mean Lex corrupts Clark or that Clark is a little wiser than the boy-scout we all know and love? Because there's a point in everyones life that they make a decision that isn't strictly speaking the right moral choice, choices that aren't even dramatic or earth shaking but aren't right according to Sister John Wayne, you know what I mean?

Choices.

*looks at what she wrote* wow. That's a lot of thought. geez-- a little much for just a brain -diddler like SS, hah! Any hoo-- I'll update as soon as I can get the boys to talk pretty to me, (and i'll see what i can do about my other problem.*SOB*)

Love you! See how I get when I don't talk to you in a while? Skeery!

Comments

[aurora-bee.livejournal.com]

Bollox I hate it when I do that.

If so-- does that mean Lex corrupts Clark or that Clark is a little wiser than the boy-scout we all know and love?

Mmm.. I think it corrupts him a bit, but I see it from Lex's side.

[suzvoy.livejournal.com]

or that Clark is a little wiser than the boy-scout we all know and love? Because there's a point in everyones life that they make a decision that isn't strictly speaking the right moral choice, choices that aren't even dramatic or earth shaking but aren't right according to Sister John Wayne, you know what I mean?

I think that's it. Even if Lex doesn't go evil on Smallville *cough*, he will always always have those shades of grey, and do those questionable things sometimes. That's just who he is.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

So, you think Lex corrupts Clark a bit? So do I, though not in a completely negative way.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Right. Lex is able to see these shades of gray more clearly than Clark does, and he's more willing to manipulate them, even though I think *that's* his dad's influence. I think in the long run if Clark were willing to listen to Lex about that it would save Lex and save himself. Because an unbending belief in an absolute right and wrong, I think, is just as damaging as a slippery moral sense. Balance is needed no matter what your viewpoint. To me, that's the heart of the story.

[beet]

It is kind of a conundrum - Lionel is this massive force that Lex feels he has to confront, except that by doing so, he has to become Lionel-like. I'm getting all kinds of images of planets and gravitational pull. He just can't leave him behind.

As for Clark - I think he and Lex both impact each other. I won't say corrupt, because even though I think Clark does want things to be black and white, he ignores the way his own decisions blur into grey areas as often as he needs to. It's just about judging others.

[kitkat3979.livejournal.com]

I don't like the idea that it's a corruption, as much as growing up. I do like the idea that it's Lex who helps him grow up and face the shades of grey.

On the show, Clark does lots of things that are morally wrong, but rather than see himself as operating in the grey areas, he justifies it to convince himself that it's 'right'.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

he has to become Lionel-like. I'm getting all kinds of images of planets and gravitational pull. He just can't leave him behind.

Yes, that describes it really well, in SV as well as my little thing. Even a healthy parent child relationship involves trying to escape your parents--it's nature. You're in bad shape if your parent doesn't want to let you go,for whatever reason.

though I think Clark does want things to be black and white, he ignores the way his own decisions blur into grey areas as often as he needs to

yep, it's that denial that is so irritating about Clark, that and his insistence that Lex follow a moral code that Jonathan has taught him, one that his pop doesn't follow himself, you know?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

On the show, Clark does lots of things that are morally wrong, but rather than see himself as operating in the grey areas, he justifies it to convince himself that it's 'right'.

Oh, absolutely. What point are they trying to make about Clark?

And corruption might be too strong a word--but for a person like Clark, to acknowledge those gray areas for him opens a door to understanding what it was like to grow up with Lionel and maybe he doesn't want to do that.

[capnzebbie.livejournal.com]

I don't like the moral rigidity and self-righteousness that I see in the Clark of SV. I believe that if Lex's influence enables SS Clark to embrace shades of gray, it can only be considered a beneficial influence. And if SS Clark can just keep Lex from going crazy, I'll be happy.

I think that SV Lionel has succeeded in so isolating Lex that Lex's vision of the world has narrowed to consist almost entirely of the battle between the two of them. SS Clark's (as well and Pete's and Whit's) gift to Lex is the knowledge that he's not alone, that he has more in his life than just Lionel. You've illustrated this well in the past few segments.

In his battles with Lionel in SS, Lex is still just defending himself; he hasn't started attacking like he has had to in SV.

I'm curious about this "immoral act," though. Hmmm. Will it have something to do with Lionel? Or will it be something completely separate from all that? This should be cool.



Completely OT--*blushes and shuffles feet*--I've made my very first fanvideo. It would be really neat if you went to my LJ and checked it out and let me know what you think. :)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Wow--your comment makes me feel like I'm writing more than brain candy. Thanks so much.

And I'm on my way to your LJ right now!

[tabaqui]

I think - there is no corruption. MOrals are subjective to each person, place, time, culture, religious belief. What is immoral to you is nothing to me, and vice-versa.
So, i think that 'corruption' is a hard word to throw around and maybe what we're seeing are two men who know that there is evil in the world and will work to fight it, and do their best NOT to give in to it, but know that all solutions to all problems are not pretty OR easy.

*pets you*

[graysong.livejournal.com]

Every time I turn him in a direction away from his pop and his influence, it works right back to Lionel again.

It's interesting how much of a life of their own your characters have, huh, pulling you in directions you didn't think they'd go ... Weird. But cool!

And you know what else is weird, is how Whit-centric most of your chapters are ... and how much I like them! I've never been a Whit fan, but I like this guy and really feel for him. Not so much cuz of the horrible abuse he had as a kid, but because he's so complex and real. The wise cracking, the moodiness, the neediness, the brittle armor he wears, the huge mushy heart he has, even if it is hidden most of the time ... I also love that he didn't take advantage or let himself be used by Sam when he was all drunk - cuz I'm really hoping for those 2 (boo bitch!Sheryl) and if he had gone along with it, it probably would have screwed up any chance he and Sam might have had in future.

And best of all, how Wade's death finally really hit him out of the blue like that. So realistic, the unrelated thoughts and images and the sudden breakdown ... Charlie must be very confused right now, but what a nice guy for helping Whit. I just hope that 1) he's straight, cuz we need more kind, conderate, not homophobic or even just uncomfortable around gays straight men in slash fics and 2) that he's not actually that shapechanging chick and is gonna hurt him or something! *bites nails*

So, when can I expect some more? In about 10 minutes, I hope?? *eg*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

MOrals are subjective to each person, place, time, culture, religious belief. What is immoral to you is nothing to me, and vice-versa.
You know, I do believe that's true--and at the same time I do believe you can be corrupted. If someone turns you from what you know to be true, that's corruption. If you turn from it simply to please or to gain something from someone else, that's definitely corruption. Of course, in terms of this thing, I realize corruption is a little strong. I just didn't know what to say instead of that word, which is a pretty charged word, yes?

two men who know that there is evil in the world and will work to fight it, and do their best NOT to give in to it, but know that all solutions to all problems are not pretty OR easy.
Right. In this bit of the story--(if it ever settles into what I want,) I hint at that. Probably more shout it out loud, I'm not much for the subtle. *G*

Sorry, posted it twice! *kissblush*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Well your comments about Whit are insanely flattering.I'm sitting here grinning like a fool. I'm happy that he feels real to you. And yeah, he took over the whole damn thing a while ago (see--they do have a life of their own and lead me around by the nose, bastards.)I never was a fan either, but it's wonderful how attractive a character can be when you throw canon completely out the window and re-invent them *G*

As for Charlie, I did play with the idea that he was straight, but changed my mind--I want Whit to have some happiness. I know-- it's "My Big Fat Gay Town Syndrome" but it's my planet so--pfft!

Besides, you can't get straighter then poor Pete...

[tabaqui]

Oh, you CAN be corrupted, very definitely, but it think... That's a big fall, and not something i can see 'your' Lex doing, or 'your' Clark condoning, you know?

And hey, shout it out, Ms. Thang!!
I'm all for it.
:)
*smoooch*

[graysong.livejournal.com]

As for Charlie, I did play with the idea that he was straight, but changed my mind--I want Whit to have some happiness. I know-- it's "My Big Fat Gay Town Syndrome" but it's my planet so--pfft!

Ack!! NO!! I want Sam and Whit *chants*
Sam and Whit
Sam and Whit
Wham and Sit!

Oops, got a little tongue tied there ... but still. *g*

Besides, you can't get straighter then poor Pete...

Yeah, but there has to more than just him and the 'rents .... *sniffles* Well, hopefully Sam or Whit will have something to say about it (something I want to hear, I mean, LOL).

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Besides, you can't get straighter then poor Pete...

Yeah, but there has to more than just him and the 'rents .... *sniffles* Well, hopefully Sam or Whit will have something to say about it (something I want to hear, I mean, LOL).

Oh sure, but that's another story. I'm not bringing in anymore folks from canon, and I'm sure not adding anymore OC's for cryin' out loud! (kicks enormous cast of strangers.)Actually, that's a story I'd really like to write...ooooo...you give me good ideas!