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[roxy]

I haven't watched SV yet, I was all passed out. I'll watch it tomorrow. I did catch the end--hot stuff. ;)

SpN...well. That was unexpected. But satisfying. And personally, I'd have kicked his fucking ass some more. And then woke him up and kicked his ass some more. But I've kind of got a temper and a vindictive streak a mile wide. Loved the show, can't wait for what comes next.

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[rockstarpeach.livejournal.com]

You are making me smile :) Mmmm, ass-kicking... *happy sigh*

Also, good news! This season is the first time Clark doesn't actively annoy me! Lois does good things for him.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

also, good news! This season is the first time Clark doesn't actively annoy me! Lois does good things for him.

Right? He still can't kiss a woman but other than that, I'm loving the hell out of those two!

[theatervine.livejournal.com]

I was cringing after the second hit, as much as Sam deserves an epic beatdown for his behavior of the past three years I didn't want to see going at him filled with that much rage. It honestly upset me a great deal.
Not that Sam doesn't deserve it, because oh but he does but in the long run it'll hurt Dean more then it will ever hurt Sam, you know?

[laceymcbain.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I'm kind of with you on this. I actually turned away from the screen after the first few hits. It just seemed like too much from a Dean who's tried very hard to come to terms with that part of himself. I understand the anger and the fear, but surely Sam coming clean about it has to count for something, I hope.

I guess we'll just keep watching and waiting. (Not at all trying to harsh your squee, Roxy.)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Girl! It'd take more than that to harsh my squee. You know agreeing with me is no way a requirement here. *g*

Anyhoo, I'm used to running sideways to everyone else. I get what you guys are saying, sure. But...*shrugs* I'm a mean old lady. ;)

[laceymcbain.livejournal.com]

But...*shrugs* I'm a mean old lady. ;)

*g* And we wouldn't want you any other way. *hugs*

[theatervine.livejournal.com]

It was so filled with rage it disturbed me on every level, and it's well deserved rage but eeeeeeeee. The last time Dean lost his shit this completely was after realizing what John did and we all know how that went.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

On the one hand, I'm sad that they tipped last years ending scene on its head. On the other hand, I've got a violent streak that's pretty much not moved in a negative way by Dean kicking Sam's ass. Plus, I believe Sam could have saved himself an ass whupping by not asking Dean for help. I didn't believe it much more than Dean did. I also don't believe that Sam couldn't have put Dean down like a baby if he'd wanted to.

Dean is pretty much a total mess. Everyone around him's made sure of that. I don't think knocking Sam out will be the camel's straw. Or maybe I should say, I hope it won't be.

[cha.livejournal.com]

I looked away after the first punch :( Didn't like that at all. Has everyone forgotten that Sam jumped INTO Hell to save Dean!?

man...my poor Sammy

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

It's not that I don't love Sam, I do. But I really feel Dean's frustration, fear, and anger. Right now, Dean's being totally selfish and only thinking about himself, but I feel like he's got a right to at the moment. Besides, considering how hard Sam's kicked his ass the last couple of years...They'll get past this. No matter what, they're brothers and Dean won't ever stop believing that family comes first.

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

I enjoyed it too.

Well, "enjoy" might not be the right word. But I was riveted to it. And tense. And really engaged.

It was good!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Right? They both acted the hell out of that ep. And Bobby was highly amusing in his pedicure love!

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

I have long thought that Jensen is the better actor, but these last few eps have really made me respect Jared. He's doing an amazing job.

Bobby's pedicure conversation was hilarious.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Oh definitely! I've started watching Jared in his scenes and he's really come a long way from the first two seasons. He was amazing in season four and I think he's just getting better and better. He's more physical than Jensen, I think, and he makes it work for him.

[emeraldsedai.livejournal.com]

Just in terms of mass, Jared is more physical than damn near anyone! But yes, he really has grown as an actor.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Wow...I was just coming at it from a sib point of view--those times when seriously you just want to knock them unconscious...but yeah. See? Show rarely does *anything* just to do it. There's always something deeper going on. Nice!

[prettysilent.livejournal.com]

"And personally, I'd have kicked his fucking ass some more. And then woke him up and kicked his ass some more."

LOL! I get what you mean. But it's Sam anyway and now that the ass kicking quota is complete hopefully things will start getting actually 'better'. I know some people are feeling upset but I think Dean deserves a swing at his brother after all that's happened over the last 3 years. It was still a little unsettling though, just like last episode with Sam's 'evil smile'.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Right? And just because I felt that way doesn't mean I love Sam any less--I adore Sam. When Cas kicked Dean's ass I felt that Cas totally deserved to get his shot in too.

Here's to those guys untangling the mess and getting back to being brothers and friends.

[goth-clark.livejournal.com]

That ending was so shocking! And just wow! Dean! Sam!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

It was totally mind-boggling. I can't *wait* to see what's coming next!!!

[rednihilist.livejournal.com]

You ask twins, hon, but she can verify that I had kinda sorta really already guessed we were dealing with Sam sans Soul. And, yes, when I was watching the show as it aired I gotta admit Dean's beat-down of Sam freaked me right the fuck out. But honestly all violence from these guys freaks me out.

Remember waaaaaaaaay back in season two when Dean and Sam were working that vegetarian vampires' nest, but didn't know it at first? And Dean decapitated that guy with the freakin' logging equipment? Or before that when he whaled on the Impala's trunk with the crowbar? Or last season when he and Sam were doing the separation thing and we got the montage, and there was LOTSA blood being splattered all over the Impala? My rambling point being Dean is not, in my experience, often shown just whaling on someone. . . unless there's a lot of shit going on inside his head. The same is completely true with Sam. When he repeatedly shot Jake in the graveyard after first being resurrected? And the now infamous Dean-smackdown of season four? Sam was violent and scary, and I for one was shocked. That was the point, though. We don't think of these guys from the outside perspective too often. Victor (oh, how I miss that man!) was an excellent storytelling device back in the day. His character served to remind us that, hey, you know these two guys you love, who are also really fuckin' awesome good guys? They're also badass and scary and extremely, extremely violent (when necessary). The Winchesters, especially John, had/have a reputation and they got it for a reason. We see non-scary Winchesters most of the time, because we as the audience have back story and flashbacks and introspection, but these guys aren't. . . flower children or Jimmy Novak pre-Cas. I tend to forget that, as I think we all do.

And that's why these moments when either of the guys is on-camera and beating stuff up really get to me. Add in the fact that, you know, it's not a baddie Sam was beating up in season four and it's not a baddie Dean just now punched the crap out of. . . but each other. We see Sam and Dean disagree, frequently, but they NEVER get violent with each other. Say what you will about John's lack of parenting skills, but in most respects that guy still managed to turn out two pretty (heh, *pretty*) decent guys. They don't solve their problem, or their hunts, with violence unless it's required. But Sam? He fucking unloaded on Dean back then, and I just think Dean unloaded on Sam here. It was startling and uncomfortable to watch, but if the show had handled it differently I don't that it would've been nearly as effective or as affecting. Dean's most definitely in a bad place, for him to physically lash out at Sam. We haven't seen that since season four when he found out Sam was using his powers and "working with" Ruby.

So, Jesus, I wrote a buttload, but my point is Dean's response here is not only understandable (thanks, Continuity!), but also necessarily startling. It should be. This is Dean hitting Sam. Sam. There's heaps of shit riding on this. I wanna be uncomfortable. And the truth is, when Dean hits Sam and Sam hits Dean. . . the hitter's the one feeling it (well, most of the time *wink*), more so than the one being hit.

But then again, this is Show and in the end it's not Sam OR Dean who ends up being smacked repeatedly in the face on a regular basis. . . it's US. And I'm. . . not at all uncomfortable with that. :)

P.S. What the hell? I just wrote a freakin' term paper here. You see how much I love you, Snuggles? *SMISHES*

[tabaqui]

*horning in*
I love everything you wrote.

YES.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

hey, you know these two guys you love, who are also really fuckin' awesome good guys? They're also badass and scary and extremely, extremely violent (when necessary)

And there it is, the thing folks forget about all the time. These are guys whose successful day ends in something bleeding and/or dying. No one can tell me that they don't think in terms of violence sometimes as answer, especially Dean who sucked up every lesson that John taught him. John was a Marine. Military guys don't learn a lot of sharing and caring, 70s aside. They're always going to be more likely to punch each other than hug each other.


And the truth is, when Dean hits Sam and Sam hits Dean. . . the hitter's the one feeling it (well, most of the time *wink*), more so than the one being hit.

That too is a basic truth. Like I said, sharing and caring isn't a Winchester strong point. Even Sam, who seems to think that he's a sensitive kind of guy, isn't as much as he thinks he is. Or wanted to be. He tried really hard but being a Winchester really is kind of a curse. And lashing out at family is a way they have of expressing self-hatred or shame or doubt or hurt. (Maybe that's kind of a guy thing too)

Plus here we have the current situation. Dean's hardly likely to sit down and say, "Sam, I feel that once again you're choosing the supernatural as a way to deal with your lack of self-confidence and your 'father' issues with me." I can totally get that Dean's feeling betrayed and gosh, where would he get that feeling from? Oh yeah, the whole year Sam lied to him and fucked around with a demon. Mind you, Dean didn't really stretch himself to reconcile the next year and that was his fault. I think he'd pretty much trained himself not to interact with Sam at that point. And Sam did try as hard as he could to make up for what he'd done. I just don't think Sam really *knew* what he'd done to Dean.

Damn...this shit is hard when you're looking at it from the outside and loving them both. You can't really pick a side. *pout*

[tabaqui]

Heeeee!
Yes. I'm afraid that one beat-down Sam's had coming for *years*.
*cough*

:) Now with the make-up sex!!

*twirls you*

And and and - tell me, wth? Who's the little boy shaving his head in SV?? What? Huh?
*flails*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

LOL!!

The shaving head little boy is a rapidly aging clone of Lex Luthor, as far as I can make out. Or maybe he is a de-aged Lex...either way, I'm not keen on the idea because I can't have anyone else be Lex except Rosenbaum and he still hasn't commmited to it.

[tabaqui]

HA. Lamers. Just like them to try and insert a 'new' Lex!!