roxy: (sam squidge face)
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but that's just the great big fucking frustration speaking....

Let me ask you something, or, as it would sound in real life if I was talking to you, "lemmeasyoosum-in", Hunters have been hunting for some time, our particular beloved hunters have been hunting for many years...would they still be cleaning their wounds with whiskey and stitching up their booboos with dental floss and carpet needles? I mean, you can get all the real medical shit pretty cheap on the internets. You can get all kinds of emergency first aid supplies. And hell, shit tons of survivalist stuff--I bet MREs would come in handy from time to time--just the kind of shit *I'd* want if I was a hunter.

In my head (and notes) at least one of those duffel bags they shlep around with has to be a warbag, packed with stuff they really need, a hell of a lot more important shit than tube socks and boxers. Though they should always have extra tube socks because dry feet are *very* important. I just can't imagine John not having a fully tricked out kit. I can see him teaching them everything he can about down and dirty stuff for emergencies, but not having clean, efficient equipment? That stuff is as important as their guns and knives.

This is the kind of stuff I think is interesting. And here you can see how overthinky I get about stuff. *G* I mean, sure, you can't make a story out of it but isn't it cool to know?

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10/27/12 05:28 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] nicnac918.livejournal.com
That... is an excellent point. And yes it is cool to know. Plus, while you probably couldn't make a whole fic just about this, you could probably put it as a conversation in another fic. It would be interesting I think.

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10/27/12 05:51 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
You're right! Dropping it casually into a fic lets the reader know they have this stuff, without making it the central theme of the story--though I bet there's a cool way to do that too. I like my boys to be smart and efficient and I like them to show it off a bit. :)

Oooo, I'm going to add this to the notes for the story that will probably never be written. *sigh*

;)

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10/27/12 09:52 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] portraitofafool.livejournal.com
I've always worked under the assumption that they have a war bag (great way of putting it, btw :D). I also figure they would know how to stitch wounds with dental floss--or how to hold the seams of cuts together with super glue--if they were in a situation where the war bag wasn't available. I'm just thinking out loud here--or rather all over your journal--but in some instances, straight-up MacGyver-esque first aid would be needed.

I tend to get hung up on how, with some of the baddies they face, there must have been times when they've had veins nicked (even cut) or arteries even. Which means some hardcore field medicine of greatly imaginative proportions would be needed. Or, failing anything handily available, I imagine they've actually had to hold stuff closed until they could get something to rig up until they could get to their kit.

Aaaaaaand... as for when they're in hotel rooms, stitching themselves up with threads stolen from the cheap bedspreads... I figure that with the sheer amount of semi-serious to downright serious injuries they receive on a weekly basis (daily sometimes, I half think) then they would run out of supplies really often. Which brings me full circle back to them needing to have knowledge about how to make do with what they have. I also get really hung up thinking about how many scars they would have--some of which would be verging on disfiguring almost. I find it fascinating and when I write them, they're all scarred up like they would be if they were actually out in the real world doing that stuff.

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10/27/12 04:10 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
I love stuff like this--think away!

warbag--isn't that a great term/ I forget where I picked it up at--maybe spnweaponsbox (http://www.freewebs.com/spnweapons/index.html)?

Which means some hardcore field medicine of greatly imaginative proportions would be needed. Or, failing anything handily available, I imagine they've actually had to hold stuff closed until they could get something to rig up until they could get to their kit.

Oh yeah, they'd have to be geniuses of "make do" and I love the idea of them coming up with emergency shit MacGyver-style. As for real supplies, there's a reason why they have drop-boxes all over the country and it's not just to get Sam's mail. :)

I also get really hung up thinking about how many scars they would have

Yes, good lord, some of those scars must be frightening and there's a point at which the chicks don't dig them anymore. So to speak. Sometimes, I get a little thrown in a fic when stuff happens that's impossible to walk away from yet the writer has their character shaking the injury off like nothing. But those are mostly the very young, who go by what Show does and have never googled concussion or broken ribs or puncture wounds. They leave those kind of things to the Hurt!Sam or Hurt!Dean writers, I guess. I myself am very careful not to hurt them in ways that requires massive amounts of research. ;)

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10/27/12 11:13 am (UTC)
tabaqui: (s&d&jbycarmendove)
Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Yes, yes, hell yes. As 'romantic' as it may seem, stitching someone up with thread from a sewing kit doesn't work all that well *and* would probably cause the wound to go septic. When Sam was doing that self-stitch bit in Mystery Spot, that sure as hell looked like a suture needle to me.

And John would know the value of super-fast and super-efficient medical skills. They started using super glue on wounds in Vietnam (fun fact), so he'd have been aware of it. Aware that the rapid response and medivac by helicopter saved a *lot* of lives.

So - honestly - writing the boys as doing some kind of half-assed field surgery with floss and a carpet needle is not only kinda dumb but totally goes against the grain of preparedness and survival thinking John would have instilled in them.

*Warbag, ftw!!* :) These are the details i think of at night when i can't fall asleep.

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10/27/12 04:24 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
They started using super glue on wounds in Vietnam (fun fact), so he'd have been aware of it. Aware that the rapid response and medivac by helicopter saved a *lot* of lives.

See, these are the details that folks forget when they're writing! That John was more than just a "crappy" dad, he was a Vietnam vet, a Marine, and obviously an extremely competent guy. He trained two kids so well that they've survived--everything! *G* When I see stories that incorporate that, they make me very happy.

Yeah, I think about this kind of stuff too when I'm sleepless...I'd love to see more fics centered around the technical aspects of their lives. The best ones are almost always gen...*sigh*
*roxy be wanting her cake and eating it too*

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10/27/12 06:39 pm (UTC)
tabaqui: (Default)
Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Nothin' wrong with cake, bb.
:)

And yes - whatever John's flaws, he was a smart, skilled warrior who passed on *all* of that knowledge. Our boys are badass, and i hate stories that show them as otherwise. (And episodes that dumb them down.)

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10/27/12 06:55 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
Yes, damn it. I hate when the writers take short cuts and indulge in cheap shots for a laugh. *Sam* confusing Metatron with a Transformer...can you imagine writing that in a fanfic? I might be able to buy it from Dean--*might*, but Sam? Oy.

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10/27/12 07:03 pm (UTC)
tabaqui: (s&doutsidebylierina)
Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
YES! Yeesh. Dean, absolutely, mostly because he never believed in angels in the first place, so having a really in-depth knowledge of them wouldn't be a priority for him and also - he'd say it just to be snarky!

Sam - just no.

See also - every Bella episode after the first one. ARRGH!

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10/27/12 07:14 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
also - he'd say it just to be snarky!

Oh yeah, just to see that face Sam makes. In my head, Sam thinks he's smarter than Dean because of stuff like that. Dean makes jokes and lets Sam's little digs slide and Sam always underestimates him...though really, deep down inside, he knows Dean's no dummy. It's complicated--why, just like siblings! ;)

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10/27/12 07:34 pm (UTC)
tabaqui: (s&dtonguebygreenapricot)
Posted by [personal profile] tabaqui
Wheeeeeee!

One of the few sibling 'ships on tv that actually gets it *right*.

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10/27/12 05:12 pm (UTC)
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Posted by [identity profile] ctbn60.livejournal.com
I have to tell you before I totally agree with what you are saying above. I read the one line as:

They should always have extra lube. (forget tube sox) I think I have a one track mind. LOL ;-)

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10/27/12 05:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
*smacks forehead* How did I forget the lube!!?

LOL! I like the track your mind runs on! ;)

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10/28/12 07:39 am (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] cha.livejournal.com
it's funny - I just asked someone that same question on twitter!!! about the whiskey. I think you're right. I think that, eventually, they would have clued in to the face that a well-stocked first aid kit would save them a lot of money on booze

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10/28/12 06:14 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
Definitely! I think they do it on the show to demonstrate what BAs they are, but they forget that we're a critical, thinking audience--in between the drooling. ;)

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10/28/12 01:49 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] dimeliora.livejournal.com
This would make an excellent conversation in a meta fanfic. Dean or Sam laughing at some of the first aid techniques people come up with. Still, whiskey is probably an important part of their first aid regimen. Not for wound cleaning, but important nonetheless.

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10/28/12 06:22 pm (UTC)
Posted by [identity profile] roxymissrose.livejournal.com
I'm sure it is--I go with Everclear myself because it's a bazillion proof and kill everything, plus you can mix it with anything.... :)

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