say what, Show?

[roxy]

Okay. Hmmm. I'm in, I'm just wondering where you're taking me. Because it looks like we've been here before, but we really haven't. I think this is the first time that we've had this said aloud. Hunh! Very interesting. When you guys watch it, let me know what you think!

Comments

[sowell.livejournal.com]

It was my favorite episode of the season, despite Garth. I like Sam saying those things, even though they seem cruel, because they needed to be said. And I like Jared being all manly and teary-eyed when saying them. Because: shallow. :)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I agree one billion percent about Sam saying those things. It's always been in the other court but I've always felt, no matter what it looked like, Dean has been Sam's rock. I can't wait to see what happens if Dean *isn't*. Dean is so deep into beating himself up mode that it's kind of scary. Also, did this ep smell like spin-off set-up? :)

[sowell.livejournal.com]

I think I'm one of the few that likes it when they are at odds, because some of the deepest emotional stuff comes out of it. Sam basically saying "we aren't brothers" is pretty traumatic for both of them, and I'm excited to see that play out. I want some tears. And hugs.

Dean is really dark this season.

I guess if it was a spin-off set-up the Garth fans will be happy?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I guess if it was a spin-off set-up the Garth fans will be happy?

Oh, I didn't mean the spin-off would involve Garth. I love Garth but I can't see him carrying a show! I meant that maybe the spin-off will incorporate this different take on monsters, that maybe they're not all totally evil, that they have families and concerns that revolve around more than snacking on folks' livers.

[agent-jl36.livejournal.com]

I really liked that Sam is once again reminding Dean that he is his own person, not some little kid to be looked after. It's so ingrained into Dean's psyche, he can't let Sam grow up and make his own mistakes/decisions. It was a great scene! I don't see the spin-off set up in this one, though. As much as I like Garth, I don't see him carrying a whole show.

PS - wasn't Preacher Dad in Scarecrow? He and his wife were the one's that were killed in the end?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

PS - wasn't Preacher Dad in Scarecrow? He and his wife were the one's that were killed in the end?

HA! I knew he looked familiar!! Love that they do that!

[gidgetgal9.livejournal.com]

Still processing. I'll be interested to see the comments- thinky thoughts that come from this eppie.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Oh, I'm really looking forward to it! This ep should generate some very thinky-thoughts, seeing as how it feels like Show's reason for being has been turned inside out.

[tifaching.livejournal.com]

For the first time ever, my DVR didn't record the show and I missed the first twenty minutes. How did they get back together?????? And you are right. Sam laid it out. Now we'll have to see if Dean can work out his issues.

[tipsy-kitty.livejournal.com]

How did they get back together?

They both separately tracked Garth's John Doe report to the same hospital.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Dean needs so much work! So much! He's even more a mess than Sam, and I would never have believed it! Right now, he's a trainwreck on top of a burning building, poor shnoogums.

[gingersnap1224.livejournal.com]

I just don't know what to make of this. What does it mean? Tell me Roxy, tell me!

Dean's whole life has been wrapped in being Sam's big brother. Taking care of Sammy. How will he function without that? On the flip side, Sam has made some pretty bad decisions when he's been on his own.

This should be interesting.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Well, I think this is the beginning of the end if they can't pull it together. But I have faith in the boys! Sam just seems kind of depressed and Dean's a hot mess. If only Dean would actually listen to Sam! If only Sam stopped thinking Dean only thinks with two things and neither of those being his brain. It's like Sam resents Dean's concern, but doesn't like it if Dean's concerned about someone else besides him--I just don't know! *throws hands up*

[smithkingsley.livejournal.com]

I love that Sam called Dean out on the fact that "we're family" is his cure-all, but aaargh! The angst! I'm loving it.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I LOVE the angst! Because it feels like a logical place to be after all that crap frmo before--not like, "Oh look, here I am with my pet dog and my shiny new girlfriend."

I had to agree with Sam--Dean needs to rethink what family means.

[peepingdru.livejournal.com]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HARD!!.. I must admit to being someone who watches purely for each episode separately...enjoy it...and move on...if that makes sense. I can understand Sam still being pissed ...but its doing my heart in at the moment....lol

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I think you watch it the right way!

I love each ep because I love the boys--there's never a bad show if Dean and Sam are on. Or just Dean. Or just Sam.

[fanspired]

Damn thing totally Jossed me but I guess that at least means Adam Glass and I are on the same page philosophically. His writing history with SPN isn't too shabby.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

He seems to write pretty good shows, true. He gets them better than some, and as far as I'm concerned, *WAY* better than Carver does.

[fanspired]

I think the problem with Carver is that he's not interested in a real examination of the issues, only in manufacturing drama.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I totally agree. He came back to the show in a heavy-handed way, like, "I'm in charge and now it's going to be *good.*" and it *so* totally wasn't. The first thing he does is make Sam an unsympathetic character, and then, never explains why. And as much as folks deny Jared has any acting chops, it was only his performance that kept the character from sucking completely.

*fans self* Pardon me, I'm feeling a ton of ways about this. :)

[fanspired]

The sad thing is that could have been a good story if he hadn't gone the cliche romance route. When Sam said "it wasn't about her" and Dean came out with that summation "I went to purgatory and Sam hit a dog" I thought that was going to be the story. And it could have been great. It could have been revealed that Sam hit that dog when he was blind with tears and then he found himself stuck with this helpless creature who needed him to survive. Then, for the first time in his life, he's the caregiver and we could have been shown how the dog became a stand in for the brother he was mourning, couldn't find and couldn't save. Maybe that was going to be the story and Carver bottled out. Remember that scene where we saw Sam shopping then cooking and feeding Dean? That could have changed the whole dynamic in the relationship and led to new and original stories instead of rehashing the same old tropes every season. Ah well. Missed opportunities :(

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

*CLINGS TO YOU SOBBING AND SNOTTING*

THAT!!!! THAT'S THE STORY I WANTED!

I didn't even know it until right now! But man, what a hell of a great story that would have been! Amelia could have been there too. Dean should have met her, and been puzzled and jealous, just like Sam was about Bennie. But they didn't let Dean meet her, he just acted like an ass and that sucked. I wanted to see Sam REALLY make a choice, to feel like he was torn between the two of them, not just choosing Dean out of inertia and a mild sense of duty.

[fanspired]

Exactly. And that feeling of inertia has persisted. They only seem to be carrying on out of habit.

[strgazr04.livejournal.com]

(totally jumping in here but..)

............ *stares at screen with jaw on the floor*

Could you please write this? I need this in my life so badly now. What a missed opportunity!

[fanspired]

I would, but I have this huge ongoing serial that I'm committed to and that absorbs all my free time. May I offer you a peek at that instead? Some others who are finding the show hard going at the moment are finding it a comforting alternative. It's an AU retelling of the epic romance that's been described as a Supernatural reboot. Sam and Dean are recognizably the same two people from the original show, except as they would be if Sam had been brought up by hard line hunters while Dean had an ordinary life, and they don't meet until they're the ages they were at the start of Season One. Here's the master post, if you think you might like to give it a try:

The Song Remains the Same

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

fanspired's series is excellent! Definitely check it out--her Sam and Dean are really wonderful!

[fanspired]

Thanks for the reccy, Roxy! :)))