Okay, no spoilers, just wanna say I loved it--I see positive steps! Mind you, I wasn't sweating what most of fandom was, so it was all good to me. Great beginning, Carver, but I still hate you. So much! :D
Mmmmm, I LOVED this episode, just loved it, on multiple levels, but the hospital conversation between Sam and Dean . . . that scene moved me like few recent ones. Welcome back, Show!
fandom was sweating morals and choice and dubious consent, and what an abusive monster Dean was and what a saint poor Sammykins was and possibly couldn't move on from Dean because he was suffering from fear of Dean because he was abusive to Sam his whole life...eh.
Yikes. S9 rears its ugly head again? Or did it never die out? When people began comparing Dean's actions to a rapist's, D: I bailed on every comm and journal where that was the main topic of conversation. Oh, fandom . . .
You know, I think that kind of talk might have died down, but I'm still so bitter about, so flabbergasted that folks took it there that I just might not ever get over it. I don't think that some people really got what they were implying. Sure, Sam's anger was justifiable, though Show did take it in some really odd kind of direction.
Season 10 tried to make up for that, but they'd written themselves a rather large pothole and never got out of it very gracefully. If Carver has a legacy Show-wise, it's bringing out these awkward, unattractive leaps from plot-point to plot point. I'm assuming he leads the team in this direction and they have none of the grace Eric's team did. He was generaous with logic bombs too, they were just prettier logic bombs. :)
I don't think that some people really got what they were implying.
Oh, man, this. SO much this. "Flabbergasted" was my reaction, too. At first I thought someone had merely made a very bad joke, but then more and more people picked up on it, and when they began seriously discussing Dean's new "status" . . . I had to back away. (Wish I'd known you during S9! It sure would've been nice to hear another voice of reason crying out in the wilderness.)
they have none of the grace Eric's team did.
It was Metatron. He made off with everyone's grace. ;)
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10/9/15 04:54 am (UTC)fandom was sweating morals and choice and dubious consent, and what an abusive monster Dean was and what a saint poor Sammykins was and possibly couldn't move on from Dean because he was suffering from fear of Dean because he was abusive to Sam his whole life...eh.
Yikes. S9 rears its ugly head again? Or did it never die out? When people began comparing Dean's actions to a rapist's, D: I bailed on every comm and journal where that was the main topic of conversation. Oh, fandom . . .
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10/10/15 05:35 am (UTC)Season 10 tried to make up for that, but they'd written themselves a rather large pothole and never got out of it very gracefully. If Carver has a legacy Show-wise, it's bringing out these awkward, unattractive leaps from plot-point to plot point. I'm assuming he leads the team in this direction and they have none of the grace Eric's team did. He was generaous with logic bombs too, they were just prettier logic bombs. :)
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10/10/15 11:53 am (UTC)Oh, man, this. SO much this. "Flabbergasted" was my reaction, too. At first I thought someone had merely made a very bad joke, but then more and more people picked up on it, and when they began seriously discussing Dean's new "status" . . . I had to back away. (Wish I'd known you during S9! It sure would've been nice to hear another voice of reason crying out in the wilderness.)
they have none of the grace Eric's team did.
It was Metatron. He made off with everyone's grace. ;)
they were just prettier logic bombs. :)
Prettier AND with 100% less LOLcanon. :D