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[roxy]

Dear people who write J2,

I love your stories, I really do. I love when you use the entire roster of CW stars, past and present. (yes, some of those folks no longer work for the CW). But let us get some things straight. Mr. Tom Welling has green eyes. Not blue. Superman has blue eyes. Thomas has green eyes, and they are as pretty, if not more, than Jensen's. G-R-E-E-N. Stop making them blue!!

He's almost as tall as Jared; he is taller than Jensen, so much taller that it makes me think they're fudging when they give JA's height as 6'1". He's built more along the line of JP, but with real muscles, less gay porn and more just naturally hot as the sun. *koff*

I understand the need for a villain in most of your stories, but I think that it's becoming fanon in J2 that Thomas is a dick. Sorry, that's not true. Nearly every interview with his co-stars, or article about Thomas, mentions what a nice guy he is, genuinely a nice guy. There's a shit-ton of pics on line with Thomas and kids, and he always looks happy to be in the shot with them--you know, nice to his fans. He's the real deal. The very very *very* few stories I've read in which Thomas is not an abusive asshole bastard pick up on that and more importantly, give him credit for being smart as well as sweet.

I don't know, just feeling oddly protective about my Thomas and Clark lately. I just needed to get that out. I hate what folks do with Thomas, and hate how they waste him in fics. I'd like to read *something* where he figures as large as Christian Kane and gets decent treatment. (by the way, where's the Chris/David fic, fer cryin' out loud?
*deep breath*

Next time, I'm going to talk about what they do to Michael in these stories. You might want to step back from the screen when I do.

;)

Comments

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I actually have no problem seeing Jensen as an asshole, and I like him--like, a *LOT*.

Still, I don't think it's much of a stretch to make him one. And yes, I enjoy asshole Jensen fics, as long as he comes around eventually. Even so, in most of those kind of fics, it still feels Jensen to me, asshole or not. I feel the same way about Jared--I have no problem with him being a borderline asshole either. It's just--these folks who write asshole Thomas have never seen him in action. There's just nothing about him that makes it a viable characterization. And just making someone a douche because you need a douche...naw.

It pisses me off the same it pisses me off when folks write Jensen as a girl with balls. Why? There's nothing feminine about the guy. He's pretty, but he's not girly. *shrug* Maybe I'm just picky and crabby. *G*

Also, I wanna know what fic is the Asshole!Jensen fic?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

HAHAHA!!!!

*hides face* I'm turning into that old lady with the cane--"you kids get off my lawn! And my Thomas!"

[voldything.livejournal.com]

THIS

[carolandtom.livejournal.com]

I don't even read JP2 but let me send you a big thanks for sticking up for Tom. Some people are terribly unfair to him and that makes me sad and angry. Tom is a real person, not a fictional character. People should keep that in mind when they write RPS, IMO.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I was reading a good story this afternoon and just--arg. Couldn't take it any more! :)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Right? At least pay some attention to who the person *is* for crying out loud!

*pats Thomas*

[rockstarpeach.livejournal.com]

No, I totally know what you mean.

Like I said, I actually can see Jensen being an asshole, so it doesn't bother me when it happens. Also, it really helps if they have a character, and aren't just some random, emotionless villain.

Just like Wes is my favourite character in Buffy/Angel, and my favourite flavour of him is stone cold bastard :)

Oh, also? I've gotten myself hooked on Smallville lately. Never watched it before, but in the past few months I've watched the entire series, and I LOVE what they did with Lex. He was just awesome.

Plus, I am so in love with Oli right now, I think I might explode. Like, I wouldn't quite leave Dean for him just yet, but I'd definitely have an affiar :)

And yeah, I hate it when peopl make Jensen a girl. You're right, it makes no sense. I have no idea what Tom's like outside of Smallville, but I do see Clarck as a bit of an ass at times, so maybe people are tapping into that? I don't know.

I don't remember what fic that was with asshole!Jensen, but if I can find it, I'll let you know.

Re:

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Just like Wes is my favourite character in Buffy/Angel, and my favourite flavour of him is stone cold bastard :)

Oh, hell yeah!

Smallville I've always had a love hate relationship with--I find I like it a lot now that Lex isn't there anymore. I could hardly stand how they fucked up his character from season to season. Lex was the best, the coolest, the hottest character they had and Clark and Lex together burned like fire! As for Olli. Well, you enjoy him. In fact, if you wanted to take him and hide him away some where just for yourself, I'd be behind that. *koff* Just sayin'....

Clark and Lex though--man they were fun to write some fucked up shit about. Folks say that SpN is the fandom of pain but SV, back in the day, kicked angst filled ASS.

[luvmax1.livejournal.com]

Yes! Thank you! I used to love J2 RPS, but one of the reasons I gave it up was the mistreatment of Tom Welling in the stories. Either he was a total dick or a total idiot, neither of which mad me very happy.

[agent-jl36.livejournal.com]

I did not know that about his eyes! Must correct that right away by googling images..

I don't like my fic with a mean or stupid Tom either. I love it when he's the good friend, a trustworthy one. Just look at the guy! There's no way he has a mean bone in that HAWT body!

[tasabian.livejournal.com]

Yes, stand up for Tommy! This post is brilliant!

[miss-tress.livejournal.com]

Dear Ms. Roxy,

Hell to the yes! Plus an Amen!

Love,

Me

I'm okay with Tom being a bad guy but the fact that most of the time the fic just make him seem so one dimensional drives me up the wall. When you make him the villain of the story at least make sure that he's still recognizable as Tom!

Next time, I'm going to talk about what they do to Michael in these stories. You might want to step back from the screen when I do.
You mean you're not a fan of the crazy, limpest of the limp-wristed drama queens to ever visit San Francisco? ;)

[itsaslashything.livejournal.com]

I love you for this...well, I love you in general, but even more for this!!

[tabaqui]

Awwwwww!
*hugs you*

Sucks when people do that! I know nothing about Tom Welling, but i've never seen or read anything that makes me think he's a jerk.
*pets you*

[silsbee329.livejournal.com]

*group hug with you and Tom* ... *pulls Mike in, too*

[rednihilist.livejournal.com]

*points up*

What they said. XD

*pat pat*

[la-sigh.livejournal.com]

Your icon is making me crazy ! What a beauty that boy is !!

[la-sigh.livejournal.com]

Oh and I just read a Wonderful fic by blynnk with the best Tom ever Called 'Shouting Out Loud' and then 'Chasing Rainbows'
But is full of nastiness, so if people have triggers (why are they reading fanfic?) best pass it by, dealing with some tough issues. Beautifully done, AU-ness completely, and a wonderful side dish of Tommy and Mike.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Oh! I didn't know Tom and Mike were in that--that's the one where Jared is working through problems with an abusive spouse or something right? Do you have a link?

[twinsarein.livejournal.com]

I was just thinking about this today, because I've been reading a J2 fic where both Tom and Michael are sociopaths. It was actually a good story, and their characters weren't completely horrible - they both cared for Jensen like a little brother. It also had O'Toole, Glover, and Schneider in it (Schneider also turned out to be a bad guy). There were other names, but I didn't recognize them (except for Kripke - and he was a bad guy as well).

Anyway, this is an issue that bothers me as well. I just don't get it - unless it has something to do with SpN fans catching glimpses of their TV characters and transferring that to their real personalities. I'm mean, Lex is the arch-nemesis and Clark isn't always at his most stellar in SV.

Still, this brutalization of Tom and Michael's characters seems pretty consistent. I was even thinking of bringing it up as my one complaint of this person's fic - as an aside more than anything else, but I still haven't made up my mind.

This particular one wasn't as bad as those that just pick one of our boys to use badly, when it could be an Joe out there.

Why don't they use other people from their own fandom...or other CW shows? Why our SV boys? That's what I really don't get. For douches on SpN - you have the character that played Uriel, Zachariah, YED, Aziezel (sp?), and from the last season Brady (go him) and maybe even Crowley. I'm sure there are others that I've forgotten because I've only seen each ep once.

That would make more sense, because the SpN fans would be familiar with those characters. There are probably many SpN fans who have no clue who TW and MR are. It is definitely a mystery to me.

Oh - Jeff Morgan is the exception - I often see him being treated as a douche or brutal in J2 fics.

Also - I look forward to your post on Michael. I'll be cheering you on again...and you say stuff much better than me, so you've saved me a post on this topic. It really is maddening (the J2 thing - not you *g*)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

*G*

I don't think they even base these characters on the boys at all. I think it's just I need an asshole or a drugged up maniac, and they shoehorn the guys into those roles with no understanding at all of who they are. If they want Thomas to be the bad guy, then for gods sake give us a reason why he is, or make him interesting at least.

As for not using those fellows you mentioned, it could be that some of the stuff we're reading is before those characters came about? In the early seasons, it pretty much was just Jensen and Jared.

Maybe...maybe it's jealousy, because they know that Thomas is just as beautiful as Jensen? *eg*

pssst: was that story a spy AU?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

I have stopped reading stories in which Thomas is the Prince of Evil. Too many times, not only was Thomas poorly portrayed, but the Js were too. No time to waste on that anymore!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

You see? You understand completely! :)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Thank you! No one is kicking my Tom around anymore! *g*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

You mean you're not a fan of the crazy, limpest of the limp-wristed drama queens to ever visit San Francisco?

OMG, RIGHT???

Heck, the Michael in this fic I've been struggling with for the last year is a drag queen but lord--he doesn't need to set the stage on fire every time he appears!