SpN 8X09 my off the cuff first reaction

[roxy]

I'm a Dean girl, always have been, even though I don't make a big deal about it. What a douche. I'm going to take a deep breath, do a little woosah. No, fuck that, where does he get *off* with that shit? This is the first time I've ever thought that he made a call that was totally, completely wrong. In seven seasons, he's been a jerk, but let's face it, he's always been right. Not tonight. That was harsh, that was mean, and that was totally self-serving. Trust me, I know very well from self-serving dickery and that was a prime example. He *knew* that was going to hurt. Boy, Dean never forgets and only half-forgives, hunh? How is Sam supposed to come back from that? How are they asking us to *forget* about that? Sam paid all the penance he needs to pay, *all* of it. Anything he did wrong, and don't tell me he wasn't a fucking bitch to Dean with Ruby and the seals and whatnot, he was--but he paid for that. He's got a clean slate. But Dean...*holds up hands* I can't even think right now.

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[portraitofafool.livejournal.com]

I didn't get to see past the first 15 minutes--television goblins struck again, I threw a mini-tantrum and then watched The Avengers. HOWEVER. What I am reading--and even the smackerel I did see--has me gnashing my teeth. I won't go into my feelings since, like you, I try to keep things Not a Big Deal (I don't get the warring stuff, never have; makes my head hurt).

That... This that happened tonight though... *snarls* I have thoughts, yes indeed, I do. I am just. I. I've said something like this was going to happen since... a while back. And damnit, it is. :(

If--and that is a big if--the show would go that direction, what we have here are fine ingredients for an all-out Winchester-on-Winchester war. I'm pretty sure that wouldn't end well for anyone caught in the crossfire--or for the boys either. Even if they survived one another, the damage would be huge and I don't think they'd ever recover from it.

There's still something so intrinsically them with this stuff that's been there since day one: They don't think about it, but they take down everyone around them in betwixt all of the other stuff; whether it be for love, anger or jealousy. In that respect, both Sam and Dean hurt (and have hurt) a lot of good people all because of their "crazy, tangled up thing" (think I got that right). That includes each other and themselves. It's sad and it's epic... and totally dysfunctional. Can we say, "unhealthy relationship"? I try to take a step back and look at the Big Picture (it feels like a title in my mind) and that's part of what I see when I do so. It's fascinating in many ways, but it's also awful in many other ways.

At this rate, I really don't see anything at all like a happy ending unless several episodes were actively devoted to them making peace with one another. Anything less than that and any kind of happy ending they tried to give us to this season would feel contrived. I'll take a tragedy over something like that. I'm sitting back with my helmet on, waiting to see where this goes because I am hooked, too, no doubt.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

They don't think about it, but they take down everyone around them in betwixt all of the other stuff; whether it be for love, anger or jealousy. In that respect, both Sam and Dean hurt (and have hurt) a lot of good people all because of their "crazy, tangled up thing" (think I got that right). That includes each other and themselves.

It's *so* screwed up. I thought that with Lisa, and it would have happened with any relationship Dean ever had, and it's going to always be an issue with Sam. I can see Sam doing his best to show Dean he can have a relationship with a person and do it better than Dean never could and meanwhile make himself and some poor woman miserable.

I pray that for *once*, they actually make their relationship better or at least put them in a place where they can actually head that way.