I needhelp! Not that kind of help.

[roxy]

Here's the thing--I've been writing happily away on this SpN thing—oh, there's an SV story in the works too--shhhhhh--anyhoo, happily fuzting around with this thing, with back-pats and atta-girls to myself, the stepping back and grabbing mine ample cheeks and squeezing—who's a great clever writer than, who's an uzzy-wuzzy story-teller—thasright, iz yooooo!

Happy, you know? So I'm at work today(Hello Targeh, did you miss me?) and suddenly it hits me--this story is impossible! (i mean, more than usual)The idea being that a poor orphan of the storm moves in with the Winchesters who are temporarily housed in a kind of suburban neighborhood. I was all liking the idea--teh angst, teh drama--when of course, TVreality kicked in. John would beat the living crap out of those boys if they brought some poor little match boy home. Shit.

So, what I'm asking here is, can I just play logic off and go with it? Do you think other folks would be willing to meet me there? I *think* I can see a way to make it work somewhat. I turn to you, my friends, and ask you what you think? Think--ha! you know what I want! *makes the anime eyes*

Plus, there'll be cooooooookies….

Comments

[tasabian.livejournal.com]

Maybe the boys could hide the poor little match boy from John - he's off on a hunting trip & isn't paying attention to them?

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

They could...he's off on week long trips and only makes it home on the weekends. Yeah it could go like that...and the kid, I hate to get rid of him as he's a thinly disguised Thomas. I love my guest appearances. *G*

[beet]

I agree with this idea. I'm totally wiling to hop on the suspension of reality train with you! But I think the biggest stumbling block for me would be understanding why John didn't just call social services. John seems like a guy that believes in family above all, but also that hard knocks are part of life.

I've been trying to brainstorm ideas for how, but don't have a good sense of what's happening in the story. It's possible that John might be willing to keep the kid for a) reasons of revenge (the kid's--if it fit with John's reasons) or b) if he judges that the kid is going to get in more trouble trying to hunt ghosts, etc while placed with non-hunter foster parents or in the system. I don't know if either would work. I do think that John is not a real soft touch. He's had too many hard knocks to think anyone can really be shielded from them. Good luck, sweetie! I know you can work it out!

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

In the story, the kid is 17-18, too old for family service, but not really ready to live on his own. He's a friend of Dean's. Mostly he's staying with them because John's not home, and at this point in the story has no idea what the family does. He's from a background that doesn't question an absent father. I'm getting the guts to cut out a non-working storyline that revolves around this situation, so I really appreciate you guys giving me your opinion. I know it's hard without having all the background. *g*

[rednihilist.livejournal.com]

It depends on your version of John. Is he around a lot? Is he out on hunts most days and/or weekends?

And, maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would kick out the orphan. He wouldn't like it, and he'd tell Dean to get that kid the hell out of there, but he'd feed him/her. He'd let the kid sleep there, too, I think.

But. . . that's just me. I, for one, totally would meet you on the suspension-of-disbelief train, my friend. Don't you worry 'bout that! Write it! Please? I love your stories (Yay for more SV!!). I can't live without my fix! *grabby hands*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

This John is away a lot, leaving Dean in charge. I've gone with a more supportive John, 'cause I like that flavor best.

And, maybe it's just me, but I don't think he would kick out the orphan. He wouldn't like it, and he'd tell Dean to get that kid the hell out of there, but he'd feed him/her. He'd let the kid sleep there, too, I think.

See, that's what I like to think. I always think of John as being really old school service to the bone, and those guys might have not won father of the year, but they tended to be fair in their own way--I guess I think of my dad a lot when I write John. TVJohn though...I think he would kick the kid out--they seem to have been awfully isolated...but he was kind of friends with guys like Bobby, who wouldn't have. Anyhoo, folks who like supportive John will maybe go for this...Yeah! *G*

Thanks for your opinion, sweetie! I've got a lot on this fic already--I might start posting soon.

[rednihilist.livejournal.com]

I might start posting soon

YAY!!!

And this is completely off-topic, but. . . did you ever read Teenage Wasteland 11? *bites nails* I was just wondering, 'cause I just updated CFMWH again, and I noticed you hadn't, erm, commented on TW yet. . . *nervous titter* Yeah. . .

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

WHAT!!! And I'm all wondering "gee when is Red going to update--should I ask?"

Soooooo slow, I is....I just read the CFMWH, running to read TW!

[selinamoonfire.livejournal.com]

I know I probably have a totally screwed up version of John in my head since I haven't seen that infamous s3 episode, but anyway...

I think John would be pissed, but if he was confronted with some sad-eyed, half-starved orphan that had no one I think he'd eventually cave in. Especially if the kid was orphaned by some big supernatural beastie or something that struck close to home. But then, I hate to think that every good emotion in John died when Mary was killed. I'm probably the one person in fandom that thinks that John cared about the boys.

I've seen a lot of fic where John wasn't a total bastard and people believed the fic, read it, and enjoyed it.

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Um...so you know I'm sending that bit to you, right? *G*

I think a lot of us out there know John loved his kids, fucked up way or not. Especially after the Time Travel ep, I think folks had to rethink John a little bit. :)

[selinamoonfire.livejournal.com]

I hope I'm getting to see it. :P

I think that for a lot of fans it was easier to label John a bastard than to consider why he did the things he did. After what happened to Mary how could the man not be a bit (or more than a bit) crazy? I think part of the reason I never got on the John hate was because I can see so many similarities between him and Sam. So if I hate John, then My!Sam will get angry with me. LOL

Though he's already pouting so...

[tabaqui]

Dude. John would freak and go on and on about keeping people safe and blah blah blah but then he'd totally cave. He couldn't just kick some kid out. Family is all that matters to John and if the kid said something along the lines of how Dean and Sam are his only family now.....

John would totally cave. In the bitchiest and meanest way possible and then go sit in the dark on the porch and be fucking proud of Dean. And Sam would be pissed but Dean would *know* and it would be okay.

*twirls you*

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Come closer. 'Cause I'm going to huggle you and snuggle you and scream TOO PRECIOUS FOR THIS WORLD at the top of my lungs. And then--Imma make you cookies. Shhh. Whether you want them or not.

I will rewrite smaller portions of this and cut all the shmoop, and I think I'm heading closer to where I want to be. Plus I had another character in it who needs to say buhbye because now that I'm thinking clearer about this, he's just a distraction who doesn't add much to the story, in fact, his story is basically the Match Boys story retold. There should only be one MatchBoy per story!

[tabaqui]

Yes!
There can be only one!!!
*snuggles*

i like snickerdoodles

:)

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Thou shalt have the snickeriest snickerdoodles that ever snickered a doodle--forsooth!!!

[tabaqui]

*dances*

[rosy5000.livejournal.com]

Another SV fic in the works? *GRINS*

OH HAPPY DAY!!!! *spins and twirls you around the room*

*smooches* ♥

[roxymissrose.livejournal.com]

Just a short one--I had extra TZ Challenge titles laying around! *g*